Patience Joshua: Patience is a virtue, but impatience is also a virtue. Bruce: You've just pegged my "bullshit meter." Both patience and impatience are simply MOs of the striver, the seeker. Once the nature of the seeking activity is seen, both abidance (roughly analogous to "patience") and impetus (roughly analogous to "impatience") are intrinsic and situationally choiceless. There is no "virtue" in either, they simply are.